Justitia Themis

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  Are You Paul or are you Saul?

  by reniaa in

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  this was the same man at different times in his life yet he changed his name because he completely changed his ideals and goals too.

  both were extremely zealous, both thought they were doing gods work, both thought they were working for the greater good.. acts 8:3 (new international version)3but saul began to destroy the church.

  going from house to house, he dragged off men and women and put them in prison.. soul thought gods work was to destroy the christians but paul.... acts 20: 19i served the lord with great humility and with tears, although i was severely tested by the plots of the jews.

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  Justitia Themis

  It's all a matter of perspective, isn't it?

  For the 1st century Jews, Saul was the good guy, Paul was the Apostate.

  For the 1st century Christians, Saul was the bad guy, Paul was the anointed apostle.

  In line with Sir82's comment, the "perspective" is human only!! While Saul was out persecuting Christians, Jesus has already determined him to be not only acceptable, but a key member of his team. The lesson to be learned is that we, as humans, should not be seeking to judge others' hearts and determine who is and who is not apostate based upon our limited knowledge.

  As Paul' case documents, one man's apostate may be Jesus' chosen and annointed one.
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  Are You Paul or are you Saul?

  by reniaa in

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  this was the same man at different times in his life yet he changed his name because he completely changed his ideals and goals too.

  both were extremely zealous, both thought they were doing gods work, both thought they were working for the greater good.. acts 8:3 (new international version)3but saul began to destroy the church.

  going from house to house, he dragged off men and women and put them in prison.. soul thought gods work was to destroy the christians but paul.... acts 20: 19i served the lord with great humility and with tears, although i was severely tested by the plots of the jews.

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  Christianity has it's own leaders of Men how are they better?

  I'm assuming here it's only the Jw leaders you think are wrong?

  Reniaa

  Exactly the point; both groups are the SAME...led by men. JW leadership is no better than Christendom despite their aggrandizing claims of superiority. It is so refreshing now, after 48 years as a JW, to associate with good people who diligently read/study their Bibles and who are simply trying to be the very best people they can without the pompous rhetoric of being "the" channel.

  As has been already addressed, you err in your logic in that the above referenced quote shifts the burden of proof from JWs proving their superiority (which is your claim) to Christianity having to prove its superiority (which in general, it does not). Reniaa, you truly are a gift. No one on this board better demonstrates the confused nature of JWs as much as your apologetic posts. God does work in mysterious ways. :)
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  Anyone from Northern California? You might know my relatives!

  by Orphan Annie in

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  this is my first post.

  i was a born in jw and baptised as a teen.

  i have faded over 20 yrs.

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  Born in Sacto...lived there till 1973. Fruitridge cong...lots of family in Broderick cong. Some names you might know Aldana, Grundy, Rapasura, Nugent.
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  District Convention Friday pm talk - “Answers to Questions About the Last Days”

  by yadda yadda 2 in

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  does anyone have a report on the content of this talk please?

  any "new light"?.

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  Justitia Themis

  ...still blaming false expectations on "some" and "they" ...FDS refusing to accept responsiblity for persuading the rank/file to believe false dates.

  It appears the scripture they used applies to them...'In the last days...men will be arrogant, puffed up with pride, not open to any agreement...' and unwilling to admit mistakes.
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  Just my 2 Cents.......Go ahead and FLAME AWAY.....I won't reply

  by scrapmama777 in

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  "inciting hatred on the basis of race, religion, gender, nationality or sexuality or other personal characteristic.".

  is this seriously one of the forum's rules to follow?

  how can that be so when this whole forum is based on inciting hatred towards one religion.....jehovah's witnesses.......wow this is funny!

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  Justitia Themis

  Got some fishy stuff goin' here folks. I will enjoy watching how it all pans out. Great entertainment.

  My dear Watson...I agree. I wonder if Scapmama is Raniaa? Both of them repeatedly post that they aren't going to post any more, and both of them are loquacious.
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  2008 WT Library Question (1st JWN posting too!)

  by yknot in

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  okay, i haven't been really paying attention to all the letters read to the congregation in the last two month.. this week it was some stupid announcement about mandarin chinese and the keep book being mp3 audio-ed on jw.org (if a publisher is computer illiterate, a cd can be ordered from the organization-but a brother who is tech savvy should offer to burn one instead of incurring cost to the slave).. then i realize i haven't heard squat about the 2008 wt library (cd or dl?)..

  so i just checked my 07 wtcd and we have daily texts until the week of march 5, 2009 feb 26, 2009.. does anyone have any info on the 2008 wt library?.

  is it going to be a dl or cd?.

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  bookmarking
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  *Updated* Governing Body Member Points at IC

  by nbernat in

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  *sorry for the near triple post.

  i figured i'm going to have to break it down so everyone can see.*.

  point #1. we are like children playing outside innocently whose mother freaks out once she sees that the ignorant child finds a snake and starts playing with it.

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  I can't see anything on page one either???
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  I had a discussion with a JW sister today about miscarriage and the new WT

  by BonaFide in

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  2. beliefs

  so this morning was the public talk and wt study.

  after, we did our usual and went to eat.

  the group was mixed ages.

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  Reniaa, you are blindly following a religion that will eventually have to admit that it doesn't know anything.

  I don't have a problem with JWs or any other religion not "knowing." However, if a religion does NOT have the answers, they should NOT disfellowship people for disagreeing with or questioning their CONJECTURES.
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  how hard is it to move on?...lose everyone?...start new???

  by oompa in

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  i have already lost nearly all my friends....maybe just a handful will even be social........but i so hate to lose my mom and dad and my jw son.....one is df......so he still shows that he loves me.....but damm........i so hate to lose the little bit of fam i have left.......is that normal?......stupid question.....i guess i know from my time here....i so hate these guys that can take them away.....oompa.

  i know a bunch of you have done it.....just please help me through it...........

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  Justitia Themis

  What I found shocking was how easy it was for me to leave. I realized that after 48 years in the organization, there were perhaps three or four people I genuinely would miss. While a JW, I always wished that I could get involved in certain charities, etc. After I left, I started living the life I always wanted to live.

  So, no...I didn't struggle one bit.
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  My experience with the Bethel Legal Dept. regarding a Ministerial Servant molesting a boy

  by BonaFide in

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  2. child-abuse

  the experience that follows contains some details that some might find graphic.

  so be warned.. the body of elders received word that an unmarried ministerial servant, age 20, had been seen fondling a younger male bible student, age 14. the ministerial servant himself had been studying with the boy.

  the ministerial servant was a quiet, timid brother.

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  Justitia Themis

  should they not do what is required of them by law?

  I have no problem a person or an organization performing the MINIMUM required by law. I do have a problem with that person or organizaton subsequently presenting themselves as morally and religiously superior to those laws and the governments who established those laws.

  I also have problem with JWs and the often heard contention that 'they have the best child abuse procedures or any religous organization in the world.' They do not. Catholics, Mormons and a host of other churches perform the MINIMUM required by law also.